ay to go, I'm going to rig up a 10m J pole from ladder line and give that a= try next time. I don't know this for a fact, but I imagine the takeoff ang= le on a 1/2 wave vertical will be a little lower than a 1/4 wave ground pla= ne. I could be wrong, but it will be interesting to experiment. - Matthew KK4FEM Sent from my iPhone